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Diet - What do you feed your dog or cat

littlelab - Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:12 pm
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I was feeding my cats and dogs Burns, I now use Fromm form My dogs and Burns dried for my cats and wet I feed Felix senior

The Fromm food was recommended to me as its holisitic like Burns but fussy dogs tend to like it for longer which I have found to be very true, neither of mine have gone of it yet and they have been on it for 4 weeks, which in my household is a record.

My cats are all over 8 years old so I need to use low potassium food hence Burns dried
Fay - Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:17 pm
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My 2 dogs are fed Burns and the cats have Whiskas pouches (will only eat that, and has to be the fish Rolling Eyes )
animalmagic - Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:19 pm
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We use Pets at Home's own...it's great Smile

Maria
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bubbles3 - Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:36 pm
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CSJ here its not tested on animals and is good for those delicate tummies which Sam has and it suits him down to the ground.
Beckyess - Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:16 pm
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What's CSJ? I feed Arden Grange, superb food, have fed it for 10 years and never had a dog go off it.
Becky
bubbles3 - Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:27 pm
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The rescue where i vol use Arden grange.

Link for CSJ
http://www.csjk9.com/productcart/pc/pjwwcustomindex_a.asp

It was recommened to me as Sam was not putting any weight on and we had tried everything, they are very helpful and will answer any questions you have.

I am currently trying the Billy no mates flea repellent, which is herbal and added to there food.
Beckyess - Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:30 pm
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I have no intention of changing I've just never heard of it before!
Becky
bubbles3 - Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:32 pm
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Oh no i meant for you to see what it was Very Happy
spottydog - Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:07 pm
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I have one hoover who will eat enything (Polo) who is on JWB senior/light as he is a bit porky, I fed my dogs JWB for 10 years but now I have moved to Ireland it is not easy to get - I have to nip over the border to NI where there is a Jolleys! Very Happy
Deccy is very fussy and I have had problems getting weight on him. Dalmatians are unique in the canine world as they have a different digestive system, they can't digest purines so roughly speaking the protein levels have to be modest or they form urinary stones. It's not quite that simple, as different types of protein hold different purine levels but certain foods are preferred for them. Many are on Burns which I have heard good reports of, JWB is fine, also Arden Grange - he won a 15Kg sack of the Chicken & Rice the other week and seems to like it so we may carry on. His breeders and other Dally owners who come over to Ireland regularly to show use Gusto so I have some of that too - available down here but much more expensive so it's a trip to Enniskillen again! Strangely, it is a higher protein level than the others but appears to suit Dallies.
To give him interest, I buy Brandy tinned meat which he likes, and add it as a supplement.
The cats, when I had them, had tinned and dried Go-Cat which was not over priced and suited them in between rabbit kills! Rolling Eyes
hev_gsd - Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:09 pm
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kia is fed on autarky with tripe this is one of the only foods that she is good on she doesnt keep her weight on well at all and she has quite a few allergys so this is the best option.
i did switch her to JWB but it didnt agree with her at all so she is now back on autarky thats fine by me much cheaper so i can buy her more toys! Very Happy
Denise - Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:24 pm
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The dogs are feed Autarky, and the cat Tesco premuim chunks Embarassed
The only thing with Autarky, its like Burns you dont feed as much as you would normal, and i alwauys feel i am not feeding enough, so you are tempted to throw in another handful and then you end up with lots of fatty labs Embarassed
Beckyess - Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:21 pm
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I ad lib feed my lot, just fill up the bowl and let them help themselves. Works well for me.
Becky
Spud - Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:49 pm
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I used to feed James Wellbeloved which, by UK standards, wasn't a bad food. I now feed a raw, prey model diet and couldn't be happier with the results Very Happy
bubbles3 - Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:25 pm
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You will have to tell us more about this Spud, i am always wary as i am a veggie and not so keen on cooking alot of meat, but i would be interested.
Denise - Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:27 pm
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I tried raw food and each time i gave it Ebony was ill the nexy day, i tried it three times, and i have to admit, they thought it was their birthday, they loved it, but unfortantly Ebs tummy didnt
bubbles3 - Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:33 pm
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Really Denise, what did they have as that would worry me about Sam as i have him sorted.
Denise - Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:39 pm
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It was chicken twice and turkey once. I would really like to feed it but it worry's me about them being ill. Ebony usually has a cast iron stomach and the first time I put it down to the fact we had just got back from the LF GT but when i tried it again a few weeks later she pooed for England for 3 days and the same again when she had it 3 weeks later, so i have gone back to dried food and have no upset tummies since.
bubbles3 - Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:44 pm
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I would worry about Sam then as the smallest thing and that is it, it all come out the other end.
littlelab - Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:18 pm
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BARF or Bones and Raw food is getting more and more common, many Utonagan owners feed this way, there are quite a number of websites now offering information on it.
littlelab - Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:25 pm
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http://www.caninecaregroup.net/

This site has info on BARF and detoxing for those with sensitive tummys, its a Homeopath that Irish retriever rescue use.
Carroll - Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:14 am
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I'm a BARF feeder and will not look back, my lab is intollerant to all kibble Sad
kokomum - Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:25 am
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JWB for my lot! large kibble for Ko,senior light for Sam, cat food for hip and dale -add small amount of wet to the cat food as Dale had serious urinary probs last year (was touch and go for a week or so) so now add wet food and bit of liquid to their food to keep up fluid intake! Have to say cant sing the praises of JWB enough, no more jippy tums for Ko and I am sure Sam has lasted as long and is as active as she is because of her diet. Very Happy
Jess
bubbles3 - Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:39 am
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IRR used to have abit about it on there site but as they changed site its not been updated yet.

will check that link though thanks Nat
AlfiesMum - Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:49 am
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I feed skinners, Billy has the puppy and Alfie has the crunchy variety, they both love it Very Happy
Spud - Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:04 pm
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I've fed raw for about a year and a half now. When I first started, I followed Ian Billinghurst's model of the diet, called BARF. However, after more research I came to the decision that Scamp wasn't benifiting from the added vegetables and other supplements, and in fact they were taking the place of the extra meat that I should have been including. Also, the bone content was incredibley high, to the point that his stools were white and hard before they'd even hit the ground.

I now follow the prey-model diet. Ideally, it would be whole prey but that isn't possible. Therefore, I construct a kind of 'franken-prey'. Over time I try to balance his diet so that he has as wide a variety of different meats as possible. The basic guidelines that I follow are 10% raw MEATY bone, 10% organ meat and 80% muscle meat (interestingly, heart falls into both organ and muscle meat). So, maybe one day I'd give him a turkey leg. That would be quite a boney meal so the next day he might have some beef heart and pork chops. He also gets fish whenever I can get hold of it. I try not to give too much poultry as it's not such a natural source of meat when you think about the diet of wolves, but it certainly isn't harmful and he does have it quite often. He has whole eggs (shell and all) sometimes too; they make a great quick meal if you're in a hurry. I'm not big on eating meat and in the future hope to become a vegetarian, and only eat eggs from my own hens, but I still plan on feeding a raw, prey model diet to my dog.

The prey-model diet works out at about the same price as feeding James Wellbeloved, and he digests much more of it (although James Wellbeloved is a good commercial kibble if that's the way you prefer to feed). I choose to balance it over time, rather than balancing every meal, to give him some variety and now his stools are firm when they first come out, and within a few days have turned white and crumbled into the ground. Some say that they make good fertiliser!

As for the sickness, I didn’t experience it with Scamp and was lucky enough to be able to switch from kibble cold turkey (excuse the pun!). However, I sometimes look after a Dogue De Bordeaux and I managed to convince his owner to switch the pup to raw. He tried cold turkey but the poor thing just brought it all back up again, so he ended up having to put in tiny bits of chicken with the kibble and gradually build it up. Now he’s doing great and he doesn’t fart so much, which is always a good thing Laughing

It’s generally recommended to start with raw chicken, as you did, because it’s quite a bland meat, and after they’re eating that without any adverse-effects for a week or two, introduce a new protein food and do the same thing, until you have a variety of foods to give them. Not everyone likes feeding it, but I have no regrets whatsoever and would highly recommend it!
justlou - Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:16 pm
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I was feeding Satan Winalot tinned meat, but it made his teeth dirty and his breathe very smelly, so i've been feeding him on Bakers complete (senior) and he loves it Smile

So if he's happy, then i'm happy x
Carroll - Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:24 pm
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Spud wrote:
I've fed raw for about a year and a half now. When I first started, I followed Ian Billinghurst's model of the diet, called BARF. However, after more research I came to the decision that Scamp wasn't benifiting from the added vegetables and other supplements, and in fact they were taking the place of the extra meat that I should have been including. Also, the bone content was incredibley high, to the point that his stools were white and hard before they'd even hit the ground.

I now follow the prey-model diet. Ideally, it would be whole prey but that isn't possible. Therefore, I construct a kind of 'franken-prey'. Over time I try to balance his diet so that he has as wide a variety of different meats as possible. The basic guidelines that I follow are 10% raw MEATY bone, 10% organ meat and 80% muscle meat (interestingly, heart falls into both organ and muscle meat). So, maybe one day I'd give him a turkey leg. That would be quite a boney meal so the next day he might have some beef heart and pork chops. He also gets fish whenever I can get hold of it. I try not to give too much poultry as it's not such a natural source of meat when you think about the diet of wolves, but it certainly isn't harmful and he does have it quite often. He has whole eggs (shell and all) sometimes too; they make a great quick meal if you're in a hurry. I'm not big on eating meat and in the future hope to become a vegetarian, and only eat eggs from my own hens, but I still plan on feeding a raw, prey model diet to my dog.

The prey-model diet works out at about the same price as feeding James Wellbeloved, and he digests much more of it (although James Wellbeloved is a good commercial kibble if that's the way you prefer to feed). I choose to balance it over time, rather than balancing every meal, to give him some variety and now his stools are firm when they first come out, and within a few days have turned white and crumbled into the ground. Some say that they make good fertiliser!

As for the sickness, I didn’t experience it with Scamp and was lucky enough to be able to switch from kibble cold turkey (excuse the pun!). However, I sometimes look after a Dogue De Bordeaux and I managed to convince his owner to switch the pup to raw. He tried cold turkey but the poor thing just brought it all back up again, so he ended up having to put in tiny bits of chicken with the kibble and gradually build it up. Now he’s doing great and he doesn’t fart so much, which is always a good thing Laughing

It’s generally recommended to start with raw chicken, as you did, because it’s quite a bland meat, and after they’re eating that without any adverse-effects for a week or two, introduce a new protein food and do the same thing, until you have a variety of foods to give them. Not everyone likes feeding it, but I have no regrets whatsoever and would highly recommend it!


I said BARF but actually its more like this I should have just said raw Rolling Eyes
honeydlc - Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:28 pm
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I tried Honey Bear on just about everything on the market but she was always overweight on everything (including Hills R/D and Walthams obesity Evil or Very Mad ) I tried a new food called Nature's menu and she's now 35kg, the lowest weight she's been since I've had her! (she was about 42kg at one point Embarassed ) The cats have burns chicken and rice. XX
Beckyess - Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:31 pm
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It goes to show how adapatable our friends are. If you find a diet that suits your dog and you stick to it!!
Becky
Spud - Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:43 pm
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honeydlc wrote:
I tried Honey Bear on just about everything on the market but she was always overweight on everything (including Hills R/D and Walthams obesity Evil or Very Mad ) I tried a new food called Nature's menu and she's now 35kg, the lowest weight she's been since I've had her! (she was about 42kg at one point Embarassed ) The cats have burns chicken and rice. XX


I have to say, if you're feeding commercial then in my opinion Nature's Menu is the best way to go. 60% meat in the dog food, with the rest being rice and vegetables. When you think about how many grains go into dried commercial foods, it's no wonder that this food is helping with her weight! Their cat food is 70% meat and as a wet food generally better for them anyway. I've heard good things about Burns too, if dry is how you want to feed. Similar to JWB apparently. It's just such a shame that our choice is comparitively limited here in the UK!

I've heard a lot of negative things about Science Diet (Science Plan over here I think), so it's good that you found something better that she does well on! Very Happy
sapphire - Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:45 am
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My dogs get Arden Grange - it gets delivered straight to my dog within 2 days of ordering online (was on Burns for a while but Bailey kept getting runny poos on it)
In the evening I always mix in either some naturediet, naturesmenu or a tin of sardines and then at least once a week they get some raw green tripe

All the fosters i take in are fed JWB - only because it is easy to find in shops when they go to their new homes. Wink

I am very much into making sure their food has no preservatives, colourings or artificial flavourings. Whenever I am shopping and see people picking up the likes of Bakers I just cant help giving them a mini lecture on how bad that food is - my advice is not always appreciated lol Laughing Laughing
Just what is the reasoning behind giving dogs multicoloured food, bits of green, red and orange coloured kibble??? Rolling Eyes
littlelab - Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:52 am
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sapphire wrote:

I am very much into making sure their food has no preservatives, colourings or artificial flavourings. Whenever I am shopping and see people picking up the likes of Bakers I just cant help giving them a mini lecture on how bad that food is - my advice is not always appreciated lol Laughing Laughing
Just what is the reasoning behind giving dogs multicoloured food, bits of green, red and orange coloured kibble??? Rolling Eyes


I am so like you, when people tell me they feed their dog Baker and Pedigree chum I can't help it, I have to tell them all about the animals they test it on and the ppresrvatives and other 'unnatural' stuff that's in it....I he even converted my mum! Laughing Wink
Beckyess - Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:48 am
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I'm the same which is one of the reasons I chose Arden Grange. It's funny how people wont eat preservatives themselves but forget all of this when they buy pet food!
Becky
colliemad - Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:17 pm
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i use autarky , which is organic , contains herbs and minerals and is only 11 pounds a 15 kilo sack
the cats have whiskas dried
GitSol - Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:20 pm
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Toby has Burns - he was on Beta when we had him but due to the number of people over on LF who rave about Burns I decided to give it a go and haven't looked back. Very Happy
shadylady - Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:42 pm
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FOOD Laughing
_LUCY_ - Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:37 pm
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Sam and George on Autarky - they love it Very Happy

Pheebs on NutroChoice - she loves this too Very Happy Although she was raw fed for 7 months, she had really bad sickness for a fortnight and I blamed the raw as every time I fed her something else she was totally fine. Thinking about it now, she came into season at 8 months so it may have been the transition to womanhood Confused Once the bag of Nutro is finished I may try her back on raw - she loved it and her coat was brilliant on it - her poos were beautifully formed Laughing Very Happy
joekatia - Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:50 am
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HI all.

We feed our brood of 10 dogs on TRophy Pet Foods, (we own a franchise of Trophy) has any one heard of us? its the UK's leading mobile pet food company, with free delivery and the foods are fantastic (hense us taking on the franchise as we wanted a doggy related business and found trophy on the web and was well impressed)

if you want to look at our foods and the ingredients we use then check out the website www.trophypetfoods.co.uk

our dogs look fantastic on the premium trophy range.
VJH - Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:03 pm
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I feed Ruby Burns - she is a fussy eater (yes yes I have a non foodie lab Shocked they DO exist Wink ) She goes of it occaisionally so i supplement it with naturediet now and again.

Funnily enough I was considering changing her a few weeks ago so approached all the 'good' companies for samples - arden grange looked FAB but sent her loopy seriously I know it may have been a coicidence but the day after she was manic hyper bitey puppy Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad so I think I will be stearing VERY clear of that. I tried her on Nutro too but she spat it out Confused I have skinners to try and a few others - I am waiting for a FRomm sample too Nat Wink As Ruby hasnt been enamoured with any of the samples yet I think I am going to stick with Burns - we are getting a dalmatian puppy in the summer and the breeder recommends Burns so it will be so much easier with both on the same food.

Daisy is a fussy madam too - i vary her food she wont touch dry at all so it has to be off the shelf tinned jobs she wont eat anything in gravy either MUSt be jelly - fussy cat Wink
Hcollie85 - Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:33 pm
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okaaaaaaaaaay both dogs has biscuits maddy with out water, bracken with, they used to have meat but that stopped.

if there is meat for dinner usally the have scraps of meat with the biscuits

Heather
Violette - Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:35 pm
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Mine is fed on James Wellbeloved, which she likes and it seems to suit her. She had slight intolerance problem with some other brands, and we found this one and it works (reluctant to try anything else when we have found one that works).
will - Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:18 pm
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my staffi was fed on berrimans puppy food which is very good with a 40% chicken content, but i wanted to change her onto adult food which should be easy enough ah but then i became obsessed with dog food contents you only have to look on the internet and ask which is the best dry dog food and there are so many different views,, anyway after a long talk with pets at home manager we decided to try WAINWRIGHTS turkey and rice i have been swapping her over for 6 days and she loves it and getting no problems. i look at her diet more carefully than my husbands and lads!!!!! they can make there own decission on what they want to eat but my dear tess cant, i also give her evening primrose capsule every day and recently bought some oil to put into her food to reduce moulting, she only has treats which are wheat and gluten free and has a tin of tuna once a week and chicken once a week, dare i ask do you think she is loved oh i do so love her ,
davo - Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:42 pm
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i feed 3 of my dogs a food called " all in one by the natural dog food company " 3 are on wafcol at the moment , but i vary it as they get bored and 1 dog is on a renal diet from the vets . they all also have chicken and tripe mince . my cats are fed tinned meat any variety in the mornings and supacat dry in the evenings . the dogs also have a raw chicken wing for brekkie and they love them !
Twig - Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:36 pm
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I feed The Prey Model Diet too, like Spud! Wink Its the best decision I have made for my dog!

She mainly gets ox heart, lamb, beef and some poultry, mainly chicken thighs and turkey legs.

Someone said 'imagine feeding green, red and orange kibble' and I'm afraid I'd have to say, 'Imagine feeding cooked kibble with various grains to a dog, who is still bascially a wolf' Laughing Laughing But its each to their own.

Have to say, that although some food brands claim to be organic, it still doesn't guarantee its free from preservatives and fertillisers as even our own organic foods are allowed to contain some unnatural nasties! Evil or Very Mad
LauraJane - Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:53 pm
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I feed my dog JWB, and the cat felix meat & go cat biscuits & of course whiskars cat milk Very Happy
jox - Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:33 pm
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The Cat Beefy is the best fed in our house, she's on that Whiskas " Oh so meaty/fishy"

With the dogs, I'm still trying to find somethng Fudgie will eat consistantly been through wet & dry. He just goes off it after a few days and then I'm back to square one. He's a proper fuss pot (very un-Lab. like). Thankfully Angel will eat anything (including blinds, skirting boards etc) and has a stomach of iron so she has no adverse effects swapping and changing foods.

The fish have, flakes for Jerry and pellets for Tom (he thinks he's Moby Dick) because he's HUGE!

PS I've done my signature pic. now. Fudge is the choccy and Angel is the yellow.

PPS Oooops it's not worked

Jo
Hcollie85 - Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:38 pm
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You need to have 100 petpounds then you can have a signature


Heather
jox - Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:53 pm
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Got my 100 pounds. Got my signature. Many thanks.
wav
Hcollie85 - Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:57 pm
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Very nice
Lisa_Ianniello - Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:09 pm
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Calvin was at first on Butchers puppy food (tinned), and then he was on Pedigree puppy complete, then the vet told me to take him off it, so i put him on Iams puppy complete, then that was makin his skin flaky ( the same as Pedigree puppy complete did ), then i put him on Butchers puppy complete, then was told its ok to put him on adult food now ( he is 8month old ), so i put him on Butchers adult complete, then the vet said no i was to keep him on puppy food for atleast 1 year, so he is now back on Butchers puppy complete.....but his skin is flaky again.

so i might have to put him on Chappie adult complete....


PHEW! Wink




HELLLLLP, WHAT DO I DO?
strangie - Mon May 28, 2007 10:02 am
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We've only had ours a couple of months and we're trying different foods to see which they like the best.

Biggest mistake so far was Frolic. Good grief! Bright red runny poo all over the garden.

They seem to like tins of Butchers Tripe but their breath really stinks. I'm going to try the JBL and Iams next.
poppydog83 - Tue May 29, 2007 10:08 am
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Our dogs have been on a few different varieties of foods,some foods make them a little constipated and some make their poos really soft and impossible to pick up. So we eventually tried them on chappie and a locally produced food called gusto. The dogs like both foods,but have settled on gusto (even though its a working dogs food) they love it.
Student1 - Tue May 29, 2007 11:29 am
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Hi ppl, flaky skin can be sorted out by changing to a diet with better quality ingredients. Foods like chum, bakers, beta, chappie are made up of mostly cereal , dogs (and cats) need a diet made up from mostly meat. The mentioned foods simply do not have enough oils and fats in for the skin and coat to be healthy. Try a meat based food such as nutro, pro plan or royal canin and you will see an improvement. (I don't mean tinned meat either, if you look at the ingrdeints in most of these they consist of derivatives and cereals too!)
Hope this helps!
Twig - Tue May 29, 2007 11:52 am
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Student1 wrote:
Hi ppl, flaky skin can be sorted out by changing to a diet with better quality ingredients. Foods like chum, bakers, beta, chappie are made up of mostly cereal , dogs (and cats) need a diet made up from mostly meat. The mentioned foods simply do not have enough oils and fats in for the skin and coat to be healthy. Try a meat based food such as nutro, pro plan or royal canin and you will see an improvement. (I don't mean tinned meat either, if you look at the ingrdeints in most of these they consist of derivatives and cereals too!)
Hope this helps!


Any amount of cereal in a dog's food can cause skin irritation as most dogs are allergic to wheat, corn and soya. Wink May be worth looking for a hypo allergenic food if you suspect that. Wink

When we switched over to the prey model diet one of the first things I noticed was no more flaky skin or 'bumps' on her lower back.
Bonsai - Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:02 pm
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I have to admit (and reading this thread makes me want to hang my head in shame) that both of my dogs are on Bakers.

When I bought them they were on Bakers Puppy and they love it. They clear their bowls in seconds.

I have tried them on different foods (dry) and they dont eat it with as much gusto. So i went back to Bakers and they snuffle it up again.

In the evenings they always have a little 'snackeral' which is our left over dinner. They love veggies and gravy with a bit of meat.

The cats are on a low ph biscuit. Pro Plan is their food of choice.
LauraJane - Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:19 pm
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Jansen is on JWB soon to be having one meal of raw.

Millie has felix meat, go cat biscuits, and whiskers cat milk.. she is spoilt Very Happy
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