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petchatadmin - Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:54 pm
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Just heard on the news about another dog attack by Rottweillers this time.

This made me think about these events that seem to be more and more apparent in the news lately.

I have added a poll for members to vote on whether we should be adding more breeds to the list of dogs that are under restrictions governed by the dangerous dogs act

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 is the most prominent of the various laws that cover dog ownership in the UK.

The act bans the breeding and sale or exchange of four kinds of dog at present.

pit bull terriers,
Japanese Tosas,
the Dogo Argentinos,
the Fila Brasileiros.

Cross-breeds of those dogs are also covered by the law.

littlelab - Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:59 pm
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Its a very difficault and emotive subject that is raging on all the dog rescue websites and forums at the moment.

With so many Staffies looking Pitbullish how do you tell whats safe and what isn't?

One vet PTS 10 dogs in 1 week all because the owners weren't sure, the dogs were happy, friendly, well rounded nice natured dogs, no problems with them whatsoever. Very Very sad

Beckyess - Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:11 pm
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Any true dog lover would want BSL abolished not have breeds added to the list, after all where would you stop? It's bad enough that healthy happy well adjusted dogs are being destroyed for no reason other than what they 'may' look like. I wouldn't want to be a vet at this time.
Becky

lenny - Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:03 pm
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The problem in a lot of the 'attack' cases we are seeing is down to irresponsible ownership rather that the breed being dangerous and it's unfortunate that breeds such as the Rottweiler are getting a bad name.

I would welcome a 'dog license' or something similar, to deter people from buying dogs on a whym and incorporate compulsary training of some sort.

An aquaintace of mine was severely bitten on the face by his jack russel the other week and had to have 50 stitches. Should Jack Russel's be added to the Dangerous Dogs list?!

I think not.

petchatadmin - Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:16 pm
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I totally agree that its the owners that cause the issues, i know people who own Rotties like our very own Sambo whose dog is harmless, but its just when you have such large dogs if they ever do turn they can be dangerous, and if they have been taunted or even in some cases trained by their owners to be vicious then they become like loaded weapons.

Our very own Bradley is soft as a brush, but i have seen him when he has got scared of something and his hackles rise, his mouth opens into a sneer and he looks scary and he is just a soppy old lab at heart so imagine what other dogs look like who have been bred to be more aggresive.

It's the public perception of dogs that is changing as more and more of these attacks get publicity, i have no doubt they have been happening all the time but its ever since that baby was killed that they have been gaining magazine / paper space and being aired more frequently in the media.

The biggest problem we face as responsible pet owners is being tarnished with the same brush that the media use when faced with what are basically hooligans who own dogs that are large and known for aggression not as dog lovers but as part of their culture more than anything i.e. to get a pit bull so that you are perceived as being stronger and more aggressive yourself due to being a pit bull owner. These type of owners are the ones that taunt their dogs and get them to bite purposely.

Hcollie85 - Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:40 pm
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People just need to learn more about those kind of dogs though i think its worse when you have a male and female, that they protect each other.

Heather

sambo - Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:27 pm
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I totally agree with lenny on her point about having some sort of licence and i reckon there should be some way of maybe making the owner have regular training and maybe somebody that would make house visits to make sure the owner is training them properly.

Although this would cost money and therefore wont happen i think its just a shame that rotties are geting bad press lately as there are good owners out there including myself Wink

that have rotties that have not been trained to attack and are simply pets, i truly understand that some dogs can attack when scared etc but isn't this the same with all dogs big small black white even humans attack when being threatened.

Whats the story on this new attack then petchatadmin.

Beckyess - Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:36 pm
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There's a suggestion that both bitches have litters of pups so that may explain their behaviour.
Becky

Violette - Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:31 pm
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Re comments on dog licences:

We do have a dog licensing system here in Northern Ireland, that is supposed to fund a dog warden system in local councils. A license costs £5 per year - though there are reductions for assistance dogs, multiple dogs, or where the owner is a pensioner (though not sure what exactly the reduction is, as none of these categories apply to me).

I don't honestly know if it makes any difference, or not. It doesn't seem to cut down on the number of unwanted dogs - there are several instances of dogs being sent from sanctuaries and pounds here over to mainland UK for rehoming. It is also true that more abandoned dogs per head of population are put down here each year.

Of course, that might be because the licensing system means that more dogs are recognised as "strays" when they aren't wearing their license tags, and therefore are rounded up.

I don't know either that it means that there are any fewer dangerous dogs - the people keeping those types of dog are more likely to keep them "underground", and don't have licenses for them, anyway.

spottydog - Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:39 pm
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We have dog licences here in the Republic too - just over €12 a year, but it is simply to fund the dog wardens and dogs rounded up into the Pounds are destroyed after a couple of weeks anyway.
Violette is right - it's not those with licences that cause the problems...

nelly - Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:46 pm
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most of it is the owners tho, sorry to say.

poppydog83 - Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:08 pm
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I dont know if many of you have rescued dogs or are thinking of rescuing a dog. ut ive been thinking about it for a while now. However when ive been on a couple of websites all i seem to find are staffys and rotti's. Its seems to me even though the dog might be friendly people are now just rehoming them as they dont want the risk. Its a shame as now some dogs have a reputation people who have them or are thinking about rescuing a dog wont go near them

Twig - Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:22 pm
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Punsih the deed NOT the breed!

The dog that does most of the attacking is the labrador according to Dog magazine....should we ban labs?

I think its utter rubbish banning breeds, a dog is a dog, any dog has the capability to attack as they are basically domesticated wolves. I HATE the press rotties and staffies get. Attacks are probably 99.9% due to the owners pure ignorance through not socialising the dog, and may possibly be linked to backyard breeders.

I think another important point is, that many rotties and staffies who attack are not kept as pets, but as 'status symbols' and ultimatley as guard dogs.

Violette - Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:05 pm
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I guess the Law picked on the breed instead of the deed because if you punish the deed, you have to wait until it is done first - whereas by banning specific breeds they thought they could stop the attacks before they happened.

But as usual, the Law wasn't thought through properly - as has been said, the attacks can come from any breed, and it is also very hard to distinguish crosses of breeds. A pit bull cross is covered by the law, but it can be almost impossible to decide if a specific crossbreed has pit bull in it.

Its known here, not as the Dangerous Dogs Act, but as the Dogs Breakfast Act, because that is what it is! It was pieced together in a rush, as a response to a number of attacks, by a government who wanted to make it look as if they were doing something (even if they had no idea what!). It looks to me as if the people who drafted it didn't actually know very much about dogs....

IronMaiden - Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:51 am
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As the owner of a X pit, I can testify that it is the owners and NOT the breed that should be punished, blocked, banned or whatnot. I have personally got to know several other pits and they are all affectionate and gentle as lambs.

The whole thing is about inbreeding and bad owners.

littlelab - Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:58 am
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I agree, there is a huge campaigne in the UK called Deed not Breed, as there are numerous council enforcing ridiculous rules on walking dogs in parks on lead at all times whatever the breed, it seems there is a full scale panic

IronMaiden - Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:01 am
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If I may say so the UK seems far more inclined to overreact in these matters than my own country...

garryd - Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:57 pm
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i think its time now for a special licence to own/breed/or sell dogs that have become child killers like the rotty has ! And if there was any infringement of the licence then there should be a minimum jail term attached ! this would stop these a-holes from owning such a powerfull breed! then only the right owners /breeders could have them ! in the last five years 10 have been killed by this breed Shocked

! most of these have been kids! Shocked

somthing needs to be done to stop these irresponsible people owning a potential killer or there will be more deaths !or if this seems harsh why not let us all own large mountain Cats as its the same thing Rolling Eyes

Jacqui_UK - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:01 pm
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It is not the breeds fault it is the owner. I think all dog owners should be tested and checked out Smile

I do agree the wrong type of people own these dogs though for the image.

garryd - Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:04 pm
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Jacqui_UK wrote:

It is not the breeds fault it is the owner. I think all dog owners should be tested and checked out Smile

I do agree the wrong type of people own these dogs though for the image.

they own them cause they know the breed can hurt someone thats why! they are brainless people who should be stoped from owning such a breed !

scosha37 - Fri May 23, 2008 11:05 pm
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Its a funny old debate this
a few weeks ago a witnessd a dog attack in my local town centre it was horrific and i will never forget it for the rest of my life it was a neo mastiff that attacked and killed a papilion the lttle dog had no chance the neo was a big dog that was the first i had ever seen one he was a bueaty, the ownwer was a 60 year old man that was looking after the dog for his son and take s the dog there most sunny days but this day the dog attaked and it took 3 men to get the little dog from it gaws .

i do agree with licences for dogs any kind i am willing to pay but will that stop thre attacks?? pepo need to know the power of theses typ of breeds and understand them, i have 2 chihuahua and now i am scared to take them out now.

thats just what i think Smile

CatSlave - Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:52 am
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Sorry for dragging up an old post - BUT after what I've been through with Fudge I personally would like to see owners prosecuted not the animal having to pay the ultimate price. If everyone that was owned by an animal behaved like us (genuine, responsible, animal owned) then this kind of post would never have been here.

My kids volunteer at a local Dog Rescue Centre and every day they come home with stories of yet another Staff that has grown into the loving dog it can been but not been the fashion icon expected so abandoned!

If you want to Foster / Adopt a child you have to go through all sorts of interviews / checks but if you want to give a home to an animal that has the potential to kill (yeah they could if they wanted) all you need to do is say "Yes, I'll home it" and the problems really start.

This isn't a problem limited to rescue centres (who are usually so skint they are greatful for an animal being homed) but breeders as well who are not too worried about checking out new homes for their off spring and just glad of the quick profit.

I've probably said too much already - so I'm off to take a cold shower and cool off. Apologies to all who are genuine but things like this really really annoy me.

There is no such thing as a bad dog. They are born innocent; and are trained by Mum and humans ............... if they attack then a human has done something very very wrong x

OK - I'm off .... probably start a row not the intention tbis is just my personal view x

Gypsysmum - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:52 pm
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Every puppy born is a blank sheet.

The adult it becomes is down to the experiences it has during its puppyhood.

I would make it law that every puppy is microchipped and registered. The breeder would be on the puppy's registration and would become involved if any hereditary disease was diagnosed or if the dog fell foul of the dangerous dogs act.

This, I guarantee, would stop all the irresponsible breeders who over breed and do not vet the new homes their puppies go to.

We would be left with a small band of dedicated breeders who would only breed from healthy stock and sell to committed owners.

Pat

Gypsysmum - Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:59 pm
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123pipin - Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:04 am
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IT NOT THE DOGS
IT THE OWNERS
as we all know
some people don't have a clue when they get this dogs
some people just buy them to look hard a they walk down the street
when they look like silly twats but that what i think.

the other week when i was at work
someone brought there dog in for a some treatment
and said to the girl behind the decks that he was very friendly
she when round and put her hand out for the dog to sniff her hand as u do
and she when to strock him and he jump up and grab her arm. the owner pull him away and didn't make a fuss about it all she said was sorry
the girl all right now but just has a cut on her arm she when to hosp too.

but it was the owner falt as this dog dose have a histroy at going for people
so just keep a eye on what dogs are about that was just a GSh
PIP