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Hi,im sorry to sound stupid here. But what are the benefits of feeding dogs raw meat?
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oh that website and info so interesting. Thanks for that. How much do u roughly spend on raw meat to feed your dog(s)?
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It actually works out quite cheap, I buy a lot of cheap cuts of meat, so things like beef brisket, boneless shin, hearts, liver (once a week only)pork ribs, chicken, turkey etc all work out quite cheap. Its really just going to the supermarket and choosing whats on offer, and becoming VERY good friends with your butcher who can order in ox or pork heart.
Red meat is more species appropiate, but is more expensive, so I guess it very much depends on your size of dog and where you live.
Out of interest, does anyone know if Mutton is cheap? As lamb is too expensive 
Spud - Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:36 pm
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I was looking for bulk meat suppliers on the internet (and found none!) and the commercial places that sold mutton were awfully expensive. I was in Morrisons the other day and found lamb that was around £2 per kilo. I limit myself to £3 if I can help it, though lately I've been managing to feed Scamp on £1 a day (he needs about 600g). I bought 2.2kg of pork for a fiver which was pretty good for a supermarket. Keep meaning to ask about some brisket that I saw in the butcher's window.
I've found the best deals by going shopping just before closing time. The butchers will often be trying to get rid of their meat as it's better to make a cheap sale than to throw it away, and the supermarket tend to lower the prices every half hour or so until they close when the meat is due to be out of date the next day. I've managed to feed my dog for 29p that way. 
Twig - Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:39 pm
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I always hoped Mutton would be cheap as it was from older animals....all well!
I believe the UK barf club sell bulk meat, but although I thought about it, I honestly don't feel comfortable with ordering meat as what if it is cheaper non-human standard? I dunno, in an ideal world, I would, but I don't trust em or anyone else. 
I get a whole chicken leg for 65p or a HUGE turkey leg for 99p which are cheap meals, and I just add a bit of non-meat poultry if its too high in bone.
Spud - Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:26 pm
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As far as I'm aware, most people on BritBARF order from Landywoods or AMP, the company that supplies my local petstores. I was looking for online human-grade wholesalers, rather than dog meat, but to no avail.
I do feed turkey legs, but am trying to feed more red meats and it is fairly expensive through butchers and supermarkets. I'll manage on special offers for now!
coliel - Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:33 pm
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hi
i am very intrested in all of your comments on raw feeding and how bad commercial dog food is. please could you let me know if feeding porridge in the morning with a raw egg mixed in, then burns (is this as bad as all the rest) for lunch and then again for tea and then a raw meaty bone to chew on through out the day when in the garden is ok for my 17 week old pup i have to admit my last dog just had normal tinns and mix and saddly died of a brain tummer she also had dry skin and i feel very sad that i did not know how dreadful her diet was. i can not feed a full raw dit as i have 3 small children and i would be to worried about raw meat in my house.
thank you from coliel
honeydlc - Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:47 pm
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Hi there Coliel. Sorry to hear about your last dog, please don't feel bad, it sounds like you did your best for her, I think it's shocking that the pet food companies are able to sell us substandard food for our beloved pets and get away with it!
I'm no expert, but on the scale of foods, Burns is definately towards the top end, much better than supermarket brands etc. I'm not sure what good porrifge would do, I've never really fed it to the dogs, but I know that raw eggs with the shell and meaty bones are good.
I've recently started my little dog Rosie on a food called Natures:menu, it's raw ingredients but minced up, frozen and sold in bags of 'nuggets', so you get some (though not all) of the benefits of feeding raw without the preparation, I also give her meaty bones as well for teeth cleaning etc.
Here's a link to this food-http://www.naturesmenu.co.uk/products/frozen/banquet-nuggets/index.php
The 'raw feeding purists' wouldn't think it was the best thing in the world as it's minced up, but I have to say it's much easier than chopping up carcasses and what have you. I just tip some out the bag in the morning into a plastic tupperware pot, leave it in the fridge to defrost then tip it into her bowl, she loves it and is full of beans so it can't be that bad 
Anyway, hopefully others will join in with their opinions, good luck to you and your pup! XX
Violette - Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:33 pm
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Can't comment on the raw foods bit, because I don't use them. I use James Wellbeloved, and find it good.
But the porridge bit, I can comment on. It is practically staple food for a lot of farm collies - all the collies on the family farm where I grew up got it for their breakfast every morning. An enormous pot was made up and put on the aga the night before, and it was shared out between humans and dogs the next morning. Just the thing to line the stomach in preparation for a hard day's work giving those sheep what for!
They got fed other things as well, of course - but the porridge for breakfast was a standard. Just be careful with added salt (but that is a Scottish or Irish addition, English folk tend to add sugar instead), and go easy on the milk as some dogs don't tolerate dairy very well.
Obviously amounts etc will differ depending on age, type and activity of your dog - but porridge itself won't be any problem. Can't remember any of the numerous collies being sickly, or dying of anything other than old age or normal natural causes.
Meg loves it too, but as she isn't a working dog, she only gets a little sometimes. She must have sassenach tendencies, because she loves hers with a little honey!
honeydlc - Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:54 pm
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That makes sense when you put it that way Violette, next time I have porridge I'll make extra for the girls, I'm sure they won't say no
I'm sure it's the same for dogs as people, variety is the spice of life after all. they've just had salmon for their tea, spoilt babies
herbiedog - Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:03 pm
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Hi
I feed Herbie on a raw diet since the change over he's a changed dog he's got soo much more energy and he really enjoys his food
He mainly has chicken turkey chicken wings and minced beef raw veg raw eggs and shell and will gradually introduce him to more meats.
As a recent convert would highly recommend it
Twig - Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:28 pm
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Glad to hear your boy is doing well! Do you follow the prey model or barf diet?
Watch the wings, they are very boney, and mince isn't the best as its quite processed. Meaty meals like 1/4 chicken are better.
How long have you been feeding him now? Hannahs been on it almost a year now, so if you need any help, feel free to ask!
herbiedog - Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:18 pm
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He's on the barf diet (Raw )only been on it for about 6 weeks on the advice from another site . We had a few problems with fear aggression and one of the things we were advised to do was change his diet.
We have noticed a difference don't know if it's the diet or not but he certainly happy with it
clareabella - Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:33 pm
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Im realy interested in the Raw Diet but i wouldnt know where to start Can anyone give me some advice? Also would it upset Diesels tummy changing his food? Sorry for all the questions but this is completely new to me 
Hcollie85 - Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:40 pm
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I think id you want to change your dog's food, its to be a little at a time and propaly a trip to the vets for expert advice
Twig - Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:21 pm
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I'm not a fan of the BARF diet, its got far too much bone in it in my opinion. No wolf would naturally consume 80% bone whether they ate a mouse or elephant. I also wouldn't worry too much about the veggie and supplement side of it either. Personally I prefer the prey model diet which you can read abbout here:
www.rawfed.com
Clarabella, that link above will also be good for you, its a good basis, as is www.rawfed.com/myths
Usually I would say go to a vet, however, very few vets actually will support you in this decision. The reason? Well sadly vets aren't properly taught about animal nutrition, and instead are given short lectures by a commercial petfood company, which obviously promotes its own brands rather than natural feeding. Also, I personally believe that it is due to commerical petfoods we have seen such a dramatic increase in cancers, arthritis etc in dogs, which obviously means more money for vets, so some vets who have got wise to this realise the profit that they can make through promoting commerical feeds.
herbiedog - Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:25 pm
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Thanks Twig for that advice it was most interesting
I know you don't really like chicken wings but Herbie has them twice a week and enjoys them he also has sardines once a week which he also loves.
As I am a novice at this I am not qualified to give advice and it is a minefield but it's good to get advice from everyone and find the best for your dog.
Also people think it is expensive but it isn't
clareabella - Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:39 pm
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Thanks for the link Twig I will have a read over the next few days
Twig - Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:27 pm
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Chicken thighs are a safer alternative than the wings. When I first started I fed wings as well, but really they are better alongside a meaty meal. But its up to you. 
Its definetly not expensive when you shop around for the best prices, and currently Hannah is going through an ox heart (£3.50-4.50), some liver (70p) and 3 whole chicken legs (65p each) as well as a wee tin of sardines and the odd egg. So it works out pretty cheap at around £6.70 per week, and its less if you have a smaller dog.
All questions are welcome, Hannahs been on it a year and I know how daunting it can be, especially feeding that first piece!
herbiedog - Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:44 pm
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Haven't tried liver yet but I'm gonna try getting some and drying it out in a low oven and then making it into small treats
I'll let you know how I get on
Twig - Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:34 pm
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You probably know this, but liver is toxic in high amounts due to the level of vit A, so you have to watch how much you feed! Hannah loves the stuff!
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, and liver etc) before I read your posts not to give it to her yet 