It was chicken twice and turkey once. I would really like to feed it but it worry's me about them being ill. Ebony usually has a cast iron stomach and the first time I put it down to the fact we had just got back from the LF GT but when i tried it again a few weeks later she pooed for England for 3 days and the same again when she had it 3 weeks later, so i have gone back to dried food and have no upset tummies since. ____________ Love Denise, Ebony, Brodie, Eddie Jake, Chloe the cats ( Rosie, Pepsi, Libby and Misty) xxx
Run free amber
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:39 pm
bubbles3 Rescue Expert
Joined: Feb 22, 2006 Posts: 328 Age: 32 No.Of Pets: 7 Pet Types: dogs cat
I would worry about Sam then as the smallest thing and that is it, it all come out the other end. ____________ Pat, Bubbles, Sid, Tommy, Ringo, Jess, Sam
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:44 pm
littlelab Moderator
Joined: Jan 07, 2006 Posts: 2490 Age: 36 No.Of Pets: 5 Pet Types: 2 Dogslets and 3 Kittys
BARF or Bones and Raw food is getting more and more common, many Utonagan owners feed this way, there are quite a number of websites now offering information on it. ____________ Natalie and Co xxx
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:18 pm
littlelab Moderator
Joined: Jan 07, 2006 Posts: 2490 Age: 36 No.Of Pets: 5 Pet Types: 2 Dogslets and 3 Kittys
This site has info on BARF and detoxing for those with sensitive tummys, its a Homeopath that Irish retriever rescue use. ____________ Natalie and Co xxx
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:25 pm
Carroll Puppy
Joined: Jan 09, 2006 Posts: 44 Age: 31 No.Of Pets: 5 Pet Types: Labrador, Golden Retriever, 3 Cats & 1 Guinea Pig.
JWB for my lot! large kibble for Ko,senior light for Sam, cat food for hip and dale -add small amount of wet to the cat food as Dale had serious urinary probs last year (was touch and go for a week or so) so now add wet food and bit of liquid to their food to keep up fluid intake! Have to say cant sing the praises of JWB enough, no more jippy tums for Ko and I am sure Sam has lasted as long and is as active as she is because of her diet.
Jess
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:25 am
bubbles3 Rescue Expert
Joined: Feb 22, 2006 Posts: 328 Age: 32 No.Of Pets: 7 Pet Types: dogs cat
I've fed raw for about a year and a half now. When I first started, I followed Ian Billinghurst's model of the diet, called BARF. However, after more research I came to the decision that Scamp wasn't benifiting from the added vegetables and other supplements, and in fact they were taking the place of the extra meat that I should have been including. Also, the bone content was incredibley high, to the point that his stools were white and hard before they'd even hit the ground.
I now follow the prey-model diet. Ideally, it would be whole prey but that isn't possible. Therefore, I construct a kind of 'franken-prey'. Over time I try to balance his diet so that he has as wide a variety of different meats as possible. The basic guidelines that I follow are 10% raw MEATY bone, 10% organ meat and 80% muscle meat (interestingly, heart falls into both organ and muscle meat). So, maybe one day I'd give him a turkey leg. That would be quite a boney meal so the next day he might have some beef heart and pork chops. He also gets fish whenever I can get hold of it. I try not to give too much poultry as it's not such a natural source of meat when you think about the diet of wolves, but it certainly isn't harmful and he does have it quite often. He has whole eggs (shell and all) sometimes too; they make a great quick meal if you're in a hurry. I'm not big on eating meat and in the future hope to become a vegetarian, and only eat eggs from my own hens, but I still plan on feeding a raw, prey model diet to my dog.
The prey-model diet works out at about the same price as feeding James Wellbeloved, and he digests much more of it (although James Wellbeloved is a good commercial kibble if that's the way you prefer to feed). I choose to balance it over time, rather than balancing every meal, to give him some variety and now his stools are firm when they first come out, and within a few days have turned white and crumbled into the ground. Some say that they make good fertiliser!
As for the sickness, I didn’t experience it with Scamp and was lucky enough to be able to switch from kibble cold turkey (excuse the pun!). However, I sometimes look after a Dogue De Bordeaux and I managed to convince his owner to switch the pup to raw. He tried cold turkey but the poor thing just brought it all back up again, so he ended up having to put in tiny bits of chicken with the kibble and gradually build it up. Now he’s doing great and he doesn’t fart so much, which is always a good thing
It’s generally recommended to start with raw chicken, as you did, because it’s quite a bland meat, and after they’re eating that without any adverse-effects for a week or two, introduce a new protein food and do the same thing, until you have a variety of foods to give them. Not everyone likes feeding it, but I have no regrets whatsoever and would highly recommend it!
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:04 pm
justlou Packleader
Joined: Nov 04, 2005 Posts: 155 Age: : No.Of Pets: 1 Pet Types: dog
I was feeding Satan Winalot tinned meat, but it made his teeth dirty and his breathe very smelly, so i've been feeding him on Bakers complete (senior) and he loves it
So if he's happy, then i'm happy x
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:16 pm
Carroll Puppy
Joined: Jan 09, 2006 Posts: 44 Age: 31 No.Of Pets: 5 Pet Types: Labrador, Golden Retriever, 3 Cats & 1 Guinea Pig.
I've fed raw for about a year and a half now. When I first started, I followed Ian Billinghurst's model of the diet, called BARF. However, after more research I came to the decision that Scamp wasn't benifiting from the added vegetables and other supplements, and in fact they were taking the place of the extra meat that I should have been including. Also, the bone content was incredibley high, to the point that his stools were white and hard before they'd even hit the ground.
I now follow the prey-model diet. Ideally, it would be whole prey but that isn't possible. Therefore, I construct a kind of 'franken-prey'. Over time I try to balance his diet so that he has as wide a variety of different meats as possible. The basic guidelines that I follow are 10% raw MEATY bone, 10% organ meat and 80% muscle meat (interestingly, heart falls into both organ and muscle meat). So, maybe one day I'd give him a turkey leg. That would be quite a boney meal so the next day he might have some beef heart and pork chops. He also gets fish whenever I can get hold of it. I try not to give too much poultry as it's not such a natural source of meat when you think about the diet of wolves, but it certainly isn't harmful and he does have it quite often. He has whole eggs (shell and all) sometimes too; they make a great quick meal if you're in a hurry. I'm not big on eating meat and in the future hope to become a vegetarian, and only eat eggs from my own hens, but I still plan on feeding a raw, prey model diet to my dog.
The prey-model diet works out at about the same price as feeding James Wellbeloved, and he digests much more of it (although James Wellbeloved is a good commercial kibble if that's the way you prefer to feed). I choose to balance it over time, rather than balancing every meal, to give him some variety and now his stools are firm when they first come out, and within a few days have turned white and crumbled into the ground. Some say that they make good fertiliser!
As for the sickness, I didn’t experience it with Scamp and was lucky enough to be able to switch from kibble cold turkey (excuse the pun!). However, I sometimes look after a Dogue De Bordeaux and I managed to convince his owner to switch the pup to raw. He tried cold turkey but the poor thing just brought it all back up again, so he ended up having to put in tiny bits of chicken with the kibble and gradually build it up. Now he’s doing great and he doesn’t fart so much, which is always a good thing
It’s generally recommended to start with raw chicken, as you did, because it’s quite a bland meat, and after they’re eating that without any adverse-effects for a week or two, introduce a new protein food and do the same thing, until you have a variety of foods to give them. Not everyone likes feeding it, but I have no regrets whatsoever and would highly recommend it!
I said BARF but actually its more like this I should have just said raw
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:24 pm
honeydlc TopDog
Joined: Dec 06, 2006 Posts: 642 Age: 26 No.Of Pets: 5 Pet Types: dogs, cats,amazon parrot
I tried Honey Bear on just about everything on the market but she was always overweight on everything (including Hills R/D and Walthams obesity ) I tried a new food called Nature's menu and she's now 35kg, the lowest weight she's been since I've had her! (she was about 42kg at one point ) The cats have burns chicken and rice. XX
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:28 pm
Beckyess Grooming Expert
Joined: Oct 20, 2006 Posts: 535 Age: 38 No.Of Pets: 4 Pet Types: dogs
It goes to show how adapatable our friends are. If you find a diet that suits your dog and you stick to it!!
Becky ____________ Love is a Posse of Poodles and Percy
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Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:31 pm
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I tried Honey Bear on just about everything on the market but she was always overweight on everything (including Hills R/D and Walthams obesity ) I tried a new food called Nature's menu and she's now 35kg, the lowest weight she's been since I've had her! (she was about 42kg at one point ) The cats have burns chicken and rice. XX
I have to say, if you're feeding commercial then in my opinion Nature's Menu is the best way to go. 60% meat in the dog food, with the rest being rice and vegetables. When you think about how many grains go into dried commercial foods, it's no wonder that this food is helping with her weight! Their cat food is 70% meat and as a wet food generally better for them anyway. I've heard good things about Burns too, if dry is how you want to feed. Similar to JWB apparently. It's just such a shame that our choice is comparitively limited here in the UK!
I've heard a lot of negative things about Science Diet (Science Plan over here I think), so it's good that you found something better that she does well on!
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) I tried a new food called Nature's menu and she's now 35kg, the lowest weight she's been since I've had her! (she was about 42kg at one point 
) The cats have burns chicken and rice. XX
