kill it , cook , it , eat it - what did you think about it ?

coliel

hi
did any one see kill it cook it eat it yesterday (monday ) ?
the program was about eating young piglets - only 12 weeks !!! to eat !
i have no problem with the cruelty aspect as if the animal is going to be eaten it dosent matter to me the age as long as it has had a good life - out doof reared with mum !! and humanely killed - how ever i do disagree with it purely on a environmentle side - it feels to me like its a waste of potential food - one small piglet will feed about 8 people where as a grown pig of about 7 months will feed 80 people !!!
the program didnt go in to the cost, care , fuel etc of caring for one pig over 10 to feed the same amount of people which i thought was wrong of them - what did you all think ?
love coliel
ps lets try to not get this one locked - hey !!!!!!!!
happy new year !!!!

Hcollie85

Im not bothered about it those types of animals, they are bred for that kind if thing.

kill a 12 week old pig? if it was for slaughter id say way to young but a butcher may have other ideas.

Pigs uasaly have to be grown up and fat enough to get sloughtered.

After pigs are killed something else happens which i wont say, you'd probly get upset or not

Heather
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Twig

Why Hcollie are you not worried about farm animals? Just because they are eaten doesn't mean they are any less worthy or that they deserve to be cruelly treated, a cow has feelings just as a dog does.

jessiesmum

Hcollie85

I grew up in that kind of enviroment, thats why iv seen it happen and thats life for those kind of animals i dont think of them as pets cause there not.
Thats what Shepereds, Dairy Farmers, Beef Farmers and Pig Farmers do everyday

If other people find that a problem..............

Thats my opinion and im not saying anymore on it

Heather
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Twig

So you are saying its fine for them to be mistreated?

I'm sorry, but just because you are brought up like that doesn't mean you can't have another opinion. It would be a sad world if everyone kept the views of their upbringing and never changed, society wouldn't get anywhere.

If you love dogs/cats or w/e why can't you understand all animals deserve fair treatment, I'm not saying you can't eat them, what I'm saying is that they should have as pain free a life as possible. In my opinion its fascism in the animal world to see them as a lower species, all animal life is equal.

Hcollie85

i dont find this has anything to do with pets, its farm animals and they arnt mistreated.

Im not saying anything more cause i cant and dont understand you

I wont be saying anymore on the subject and im sorry
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coliel

hi
i think heather is a bit like me as in she dosnt think a pig is as equal to a dog - other wise we would all eat dog wouldnt we? so their fore her prioritys of care are more for pets rather than farm animals. im sure she dosnt mean that a pig for exampe dosent deserv a humane death!!
just that she would pay hundreds to help cure a fammily dog but would simmply put down a poorly lamb.
any way no one has answerd my question yet on weather it is acseptable to breed , feed , house , drive to the abatoir , stun , kill , drive to the butchers, drive to the restraunt/home and then eat 10 piglets instead of just one fully grown pig ? - this i feel is totaly wrong!!!
but remember lets all stay carm !!!!!!!
love coliel

rufftydlc

im a vegetarean because i cant really get over the fact of any animal being slaughtered
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shadylady

i agree with twig all animal life is equal, and i think killing piglets is not right as they have had no life at all, i know that there born in this environment though, but they shouldve least had a life before killing for food.

thats my opinion anyway..
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nahatalie

Heya, just like to point out a few things...(i dont know how to quote to bare with me...)

At the very beginning, Coleil said a piglet will feed 8 people and a 7 month old pig will feed 80. This might be true, but I don't think it makes much difference on an environmental scale...think about how much food that pig will consume in 7 months, food which would have kept your belly full more than 80 times over! The energy from food going in to that pig for 7 months woul feed you for 7 months in a round about kind of way, if you eat the pig at 7 months old, I dont think you could live off it as long as you could if you ate the food the pig was eating instead of eating the pig. Very confusing i know!

I am also vegetarian, just over two years now (and believe me, living in Japan for a year it was a challenge as they don't understand what a veggie is!). I am mainly vegetarian for environmental reasons. You can feed so many more people on crops than you can with meat. Take a field of wheat. That would last you yonks! Now think about how many fields worth of grass a cow eats before you eat the cow. A lot more. So, more food is wasted as the cow has to use the energy from food to grow, breathe, poop, etc. All the extra fields of energy that have been wasted making the cow grow could have been used to grow biofuels! Thus offsetting carbon dioxide emissions (and you'd have less animals releasing carbon monoxide, aka farts) Oh I could go off on a complete tangent here! lol

Sorry, that was a bit of a rant, i dont mean that to sound so preachy! Just wanted to attempt to explain how inefficient eating meat is from the point of view of saving energy and environmental factors. I'm not having a pop at anyone, just expressing my reasons for being veggie as it raised an interesting point for me.

coliel

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i agree with the fact that you can feed more people with cerial than meat how ever how about dairy ?
are you vegan ?
to keep a cow for milk takes just as much food !!!!
people need the vitamin b 12 which you can only get from animals !!!
a friend of mine was hospitalised due to lack of b 12 !!
as for my point on the environment it wasnt just the food, but the traveling cost of fuel pallooting the environment and the elec used to stun , kill etc !!
1 pig feeds lotts but one piglet dosent !!
as for all animals being equal do you think it is as acseptable to eat dog as pig ?
persanaly i will eat any thing other than dog.
i have eaten pigions, to , pigs , to aligater , to goat.
the reasen i wouldnt eat a dog is because they are more use full alive - keeping animals under controle , guarding , hunting picking up shot pheasent etc dogs become part of the fammily and are commited 100 % - they would die for their owners and are totaly un selfish !! - no outher animal can offer this companion ship.
how about you guise ?
love coliel

Twig

Is hard for me to form an opinion on the actual programme, because as a veggie, I am against all animals killed for meat, if it has a face, I won't eat it or wear it, fish and leather included!

I think the only good point of the programme was that hypocrites who eat meat but can't kill it was foced to witness the whole process and take part? I don't know as I didn't see the programme. If people can kill an animal and eat it I have more respect for them, if they can't, like myself, they should be vegetarian.

As for the pigs deprived of a life, well, tbh I'd rather they were killed this young than confined to a small barren cage for 6 months, and certainly any sows were lucky not to suffer the gestation crates of intensive farming. Also its nature, plenty of babies get eaten so I'm not going to pick too much on that aspect, although it does obviously sadden me. Crying or Very sad

I think the argument of eating an adult pig is right, as yes, they consume a heck of a lot more food, but there isn't a problem with a shortage of food in the world, its its distrubution as the West 'democracies' are in *my* opinion delibrately crippling countries like Africa as they are afraid of an economically strong Africa, so invent rubbish like 'global warming' which I don't believe a word of. Rolling Eyes

However, my problem is that people eat too much meat, as omnivores we should have a mainly plant based diet, otherwise we'd have larger canine teeth....or whatever the sharp pointy teeth are called! lol This creates a problem as too many animals suffer to supply the demand of cheap meat to feed everyones lust for cheap flesh- hence we have intesive farming If people ate less intensive farming wouldn't be neccessary and animals would have a better life.

Heck I am rambling! Laughing

Anyway to finish, yes, pigs and dogs are equal, the only reason we eat pigs are because they lack the loyalty dogs have and are there of less 'use' to humans as coleil pointed out. However, I don't weigh up an animals right to life by what it gives me. A life is a life, each as precious as each others simple as that. Wink

If pigs were loyal and dogs weren't, we'd be eating dogs, and pigs are superior in the intelligence department so if they were loyal, would probably be of more 'use' anyway. Wink

clareabella

I didn't watch it! Im a veggie myself now so i wouldnt want to watch it.
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nahatalie

Good points everyone, I wasn't refering to a shortage of food, and totally completly agree that its poor distribution that leads doesnt help food shortages when there is actually such a big surplus in countries like ours. But, the energy used by making food more efficient, such as not eating meat, we can use the energy we save, such as keeping the fields which would have grown animal food, to grow food for ourselves AND things like biofuels which could go towards solving the fuel crisis and cut down on carbon dioxide levels.