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As to dogs with problems, all dogs have problems as they have found out in Australia with the 'labradoodles' because they themselves believed their own myth about hybrid vigour they introduced all the labrador problems AND all the poodle problems.
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Of course, this is going to be the case if you back cross a first cross Lab/Poodle to a pure Poodle, as the recessive genes will still be in the first cross dogs, just without the diseases.....and these genes will yet again find their partners again in the Poodles (or Labs as the case maybe)......That also goes for the first crosses put back to other first crosses...Which is why I personally would only be interested in a first cross, as this is the only way you will get a far better chance of no inherited diseases.
As far as I can remember it wasn't breeders which made up most the silly names, it was the media....Then as potential puppy buyers fancied one of these cross breeds, some breeders jumped on the band waggon....It's a case of supply and demand unfortunately. 
And I suppose just as you get bad breeders of pedigree dogs you will also get bad breeders of cross breeds....but that isn't always the case. If people are prepared to do their homework and look around for caring, honest breeders, I'm sure they will find them. 
I'm with Coliel too....If all dogs, regardless of breed or type, were gobsmackingly expensive, it might put off the folk that buy on impulse and then get rid of the dogs when they are bored with it/find it too much like hard work.
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Jules I have one word for you
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Silly Vicky spelt FLATCOAT All wrong 
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I have heard several times that BC's can *sometimes* be wary of other dogs to the point of being aggressive towards them.... not something I can have in my house (I board other peoples dogs too, so I just can't do overly sensitive dogs with issues). I may be doing this wonderful breed a great disservice but I'm not sure I can afford to take the risk  .....How do your BC's get on with other strange (as in dogs they have never met before) dogs, Violette????
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That is definitely NOT their strong point, Routemarcher. There was no problem with the collie/lab cross I mentioned earlier, but every bc I have had (and others on the family farm where they came from) have been wary of "strange" dogs (using your definition of strange, above). Most have been tolerant, but distant - some have tended to snappiness and minor aggression. By that, I don't mean that there were any real fights - it tended to stop at air-snapping, sooner if the other dog backed off. The collie has a (actually amusing, but totally inappropriate and unacceptable) habit of running round behind the other dog and trying to snap at its behind! Knowing what is coming, I can be alert and stop it - either by preventing the meeting, if it is casual, or by reminding my dog of her manners with a suitable warning. When they are younger, before you can count on that working, it may be necessary to leash them.
Because they are so biddable and obedient, it is actually not all that difficult to control them if they are properly trained (Meg will settle down and leave the other dog be to the simple command "Manners!" said in the right tone) - but you do need to be there, and to be alert to the problem. Fostering puppies, etc., is not ideal.
So I don't think you need a bc in your doggie mix. But certainly the collie/lab cross was a gentle, friendly dog - loved the whole world, and generally it loved her right back. (Her big character flaw was stubbornness! That dog could out-obstinate any mule born!  ) |
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Thanks for your insight into BC's, Violette.....I think I'll have to strike pure BC's off my wish list for the moment then.
I often meet a lady when walking the dogs who has 7 BC's and a GSD.....All the dogs walk off lead together, but you never see them play with each other or with other dogs...their focus is very much on her. It is lovely to see as they are no trouble, well trained and very happy. She competes in obedience and agility with a few of them and they are all rescue dogs from various backgrounds.
Seeing her out could give completely the wrong impression of these dogs, as she has absolute control over all of them...It is only on speaking to her that you realise just how much hard work she puts into these dogs everyday.
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Jules I have one word for you
DALMATIAN
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Silly Vicky spelt FLATCOAT All wrong
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And what are you two like eh..........
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Airedales are anything but obediant, I am owned by one and she is a right terror! Some can be trained for obediance, but not the majority. They are the jokers of the pack, and theres actually a really funny poem on the internet called 'What sit means to an airedale' which sums them up perfectly!
Quite frankly I see NO point in purposefully breeding mongrels, theres more than enough awaiting homes in shelters and theres always accidental litters anyway. By breeding two pedigrees to produce mongrels you still have many inherited problems anyway.
I'm sorry routemarcher that you have been put of all shelters because of one experience, however, having worked at shelters can I just tell you that most of the dogs there are fantastic, so please don't discard them from your plans. It can be hard, if not impossible to tell the size of some pups so really it wasn't their fault. Theres plenty of young adults there, and I know you want a pup, but they only remain small pups for such a short time, that I see no reason not to consider a slightly older pup to start obediance with.  |
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By breeding two pedigrees to produce mongrels you still have many inherited problems anyway.
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I'm afraid to say that having spoken indepth to breeders who have studied dog genetics and also to specialist ortho vets...that is just not true. The only way a pup can inherit a problem is if the gene causing the problem is in both parent dogs, unless it is one of the rare diseases which are carried on an autosomal recessive gene (which means it only takes one gene rather than a pair to cause the disease). So breeding two different types of pedigree dog, even if they both have the gene for Hip Dyplasia for example, will not produce pups with HD. This is because the faulty gene in one breed will not be the same as the faulty gene in the other breed...so no matching pairs. The pups produced may still have the faulty recessive gene in their DNA, but not the disease, which is why when two cross bred dogs of the same type are put back together, you can still get major problems.
This is one of the main reasons that GDBA and most Assistance dogs are first crossed cross breeds...they have been found to be hardier and healthier than their pure bred cousins.
I haven't been put off getting a pup from a rescue centre...but I want to know what the dog actually is first. Having fostered dogs in the past I know all too well the importance of early socialisation and training, as some I took on obviously hadn't had enough and would always have had an underlying problem. I take my hat off to folks that pick up dog after dog from rescue centres with no background knowledge, but I'm just not in a position to be able to do this presently. I have other dogs, cats, rabbits, GP's, teenagers with and friends which come and go at all times of the day and night, I have young children visit regularly.....I take in boarders (dogs) and I also puppy walk for Guide Dogs....so I really need to have a very young dog to train, as my hectic house would probably be all too much for some older dogs to take onboard, especially if they had any issues due to lack of socialisation.
I have been doing my homework on my next pup ever since discovering my Lab had ED (18 months ago)....and time and again a first cross crossbreed is the only way I feel I can logically go.
I have no desire to fuel any puppy farms just because I need a status symbol "designer" dog....I just want a healthy dog with a good sound temperament....is that too much to ask???
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all i can commant on our the dogs i have known and cared for and all the cross breeds are the strongist dogs i have known and as for airdales all dogs need alot of work to get a good performance out of them and all my fammilys airdales have been incredably obediant infact meg even won awards for his obediance!
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I have 2 'sprollies' Amy & Jerry who are 8 weeks old. Amy (the brown and white one) seems more like a collie but Jerry (Jerry Springer!!) seems more like a Springer.
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hi
you will have to keep me informed about your pups !!
merlin is now 8 mths and a nutter !!!
realy obiediant, friendly, and good with every one and all animals but incredably nutty he runs about like a mad hatter and has tons of energy but as he is only young i worry about over exersising , what are your two like ?
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am sorry to say this but you dont have sprollies, labradoodles, pugles etc there all just mixed breed dogs i mean what would my dog be a labrashepard its just designer names people make up not the so called designer dog when they breed different breed types, i mean everyones dog is kinda a mixed breed even the pedigree dog as years back people had to breed certain types of dog to get them for eg dogs wid more spots to get a dalmation...
what i do agree on though is the prices as all dogs should be one price that way people wouldnt just buy on impulse...
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Sprollies are the affectionate term for Springer/Collie X's
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I just thought i'd put my penny worth in!
I am afraid i dont agree with purposely breeding crossbreeds. i understand there will always be accidental litters etc but why cross 2 pedigrees? i just cant grasp the concept of taking 2 pure bred doggies to create a cross. why not breed with another pure breed and have more little pedigree luvvies. there are 100's of pedigree breeds out there and it just takes patience and time and research to find the right dog for you, its lazy to just create one as opposed to finding the right one.
i would absolutely never have thought about getting a chinese crested powderpuff - no-one even knows what they are most of the time! but bubbles fits perfectly into my lifestyle and by reseraching the breed before i took him on i knew i was making the right decision. its such a gamble breeding crosses coz you gotta pray and hope they turn out the way you want.
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hi
i know people do dis like crossing breeds but i love cross breed dogs as their always much healthyer due to having a bigger geene pool and all dogs were made from mixing so you can get a good dog that suits you.
pedagree dogs are often riddled with problems and look a sertan way to suit people rather than the dog it self!
cross breeds are only in rescue because their cheeper than pedagrees meaning that people can get them with out putting much thought in to them!
infact i cant see any thing wrong with cross and mungrel breeds!!
a dog is a dog after all and health is my no 1 importance!
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