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Koolcat Why do you think it would be unfair to Jet to get another dog ?
Dogs love other dogs for company and it can add years to the life of an older dog.
When you get a pup you dont love the first dog less your love just grows.
Merlin knows I love him and that in the order of the pack he is above Scrappy but Scrappy knows I love him too.
Their is nothing as nice as seeing Merlin and scrappy play tug of war together or licking eachother I think getting your own pup would be great but only if you realy want one.
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I think it is unfair because jet doesnt really like dogs she is more of a cat person (well dog lol). When were out she is constanly Barking at them.

Also I want to focus my attention on her and give her the best life i can. And another thing me dad wont let me get one while she is still here.
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Why did your father say you could get one then ?
I think it is a shame to not get another dog because of Jet as he would soon get along after a while. The biggest thing I have seen amongst dogs is when the dogs geton too well , bonding closer together than dog and master causing un wanted behavior and also pining for his pal when they have died.
All of the above can be solved as long as you spend plenty of time with each dog independantly.
Having said all of this if you feel you dont realy want or have the time for a dog and espeacialy if it was more a dream than reality then definatly dont be getting any pup !!
But I think as long as you are commited like you said in your ther posts then I should get one.
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Old dogs can feel rejected and replaced if you bring in a new pup as and there are dogs who genuinely wouldn't accept another dog, Merlin is a pup so of course he was likely to accept another playmate, but an adult dog is another matter entirely. It really depends on the dog, and in this case, I think koolkat is doing the right thing in waiting if she feels Jet won't accept a pup Wink
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My dad probably said she can get one when shes 21 to shut her up going on about it lol cus i was kinda gettin fed up of her asking for one even though i love animals and im usually the 1st one to be like awwww look at its ickle eyes etc lol.

Also jet does get on with dogs its just certain one she finds she has to have a go at shes all bark no bite, just likes telling them shes there and to move lol
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I am intrested in Twiggs oppinion that some dogs dont like new dogs coming in to their home and the idear that they may feel dejected.
Gelousy I believe is a human feeling not a well ajusted dog feeling.
Dogs are pack animals and would natrely have new pups joining their pack when th alfa female bred.
Their fore I would of assumed may be wrongly that as long as the owner is seen as top dog and introdused the new pup properly most dogs would get on.
all my life we have introdused pups to old existing dogs with no problems at all - the older dog will have a grumble if the pup anoys him too much and the pup will then back off so long as the owner allows the older dog to disiplin the pup their shouldnt be any problems exept rarly.
I am how ever nt saying that aggresion never happens but as long as dealt with properly then all should be fine.
The only time I hae ever heard of problems is when two bitches from the same litter are bought together but that is a diffrent thing all together.
Has any one else had problems ? I would be intrested to here about them.
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it happens all the time coliel,most dogs arent well bought up socialised!
most people who have dogs really dont have a clue!!! ive met soooo many different dogs that have never even been taught the most simple manners that i think i pup should know.

ive never had any problems but thats because my dogs know that it is expected of them to welcome any other dogs into our home.
my dads dog chloe is totaly different she willl not let any dog near the house,she gets on with dogs at the park and on walks but as soon as she gets into the garden she turns the total opposite.she was rescued so we dont have a clue whats happened to her in the past,but if you put another dog with her she would no doubt end up killing the dog.

i do think dogs know jelously,my dogs definalty gets jelous of each other when one is getting a treat or more attention, even if im stroking the cat they both get jelous.

i think its a good idea that your going to wait to get another dog.i think jet will feel pushed out if shes been on her own for the last how ever many years. it will stress her out you bringing another dog for her to just "get on with".if she was of a dogs dog! ha ha if u get what i mean i could see why you would want another for jet to have a companion but not if shes happy on her own. Very Happy

just to add my dogs dont see me as "top dog" they know im not a dog they just respect me and know that im the one whos in charge Very Happy
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The whole top dog debate is a big one but persanaly I believe a dog has to know who is in charge whether you call it top dog or not is besides the point.
I agree whole heartedly that some dogs will not acsept new dogs but these dogs havnt been taught correctly it dosnt mean its too late to teach them although it may take longer to achieve.
As for koolcat not getting a pup then thats fair enough and better to deside it now than when its too late !!
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The whole top dog debate is a big one but persanaly I believe a dog has to know who is in charge whether you call it top dog or not is besides the point.
I agree whole heartedly that some dogs will not acsept new dogs but these dogs havnt been taught correctly it dosnt mean its too late to teach them although it may take longer to achieve.
As for koolcat not getting a pup then thats fair enough and better to deside it now than when its too late !!
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But you run the risk of a young pup being attacked by the old dog which will mean the pup will need a new home at a young age and will grow up with a dog complex if the problem isn't well worked through.

As for the top dog debate, I'm not going there tonight, think I debated it on another thread anyhow. Smile
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Twigg - It is verry verry rare for an addult dog to atack a pup !!!!!
Pups are no threat to a dog pups will submit every time.
You would have to have a realy nasty dog to have it viciosly attack I would be more prown to worry about taking in an older dog as two addults may cause problems.
As for jelousy I truely dont believe dogs feel it its more like that the new pup getts atntion, fed payed with first and because the first dog is above the new pup in pack order the older dog will come up asking to be stroked etc this isnt jelousy but rather the dog keeping the pack in line. If the owner then kept on faveroutising the pup then the dog may be more likly to growl or snap but even that shouldnt be too worrying -merlin snaps at scrappy every time scrappy goes near a toy he is playing with but I just ignore it.
As long as you treat the first dog to every thing first, feed them seperatly and spend time with each dog independantly you will not have any problems.
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We used to have 2 collies growing up, sadly when one of them died the other got depressed and the vet thought it would be a good idea to get another dog for her. We got a youngish dog about 10 months old. They were introduced well and got on fine for a while but jelousy kicked in with the older dog and they ended up having a huge fight which was horrible. In the end we had to take the dog back to the rescue centre as it wasn't fair on either dogs.

I agree that dogs do generaly mix well if introduced properly and trained etc but some dogs just don't addapt at all. I think it's simply down to each individual dog to be honest.
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Its not that rare for an adult to attack a pup, my dog as a pup was attacked by several adult dogs and I've known larger dogs to attack smaller dogs who also would be seen as less of a threat, some dogs just don't like other dogs full stop. Sad

It really does depend on the individual dog as Clarabella said.
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I do like our litte debates but lets keep it informative for both sides of the argument but not get heated!!!!
Firstly taking in a youngish dog isnt the same as taking in a pup also the fight may of happend because the new dog had matured and wanted to be top dog this dosnt mean that they were going to fight for ever. all dogs have the odd fightand they shoud never be worried about. unless its causing real damage , the fights are all the time and especialy if they are two bitches. But even then you should b able to mange it by feeding etc sepratly.
All though obviosly as you got the dog from a rescue it may not of been properly socialised any way and may of needed a lot of work.
Secondly a small dog being attacked by a big dog is common although in the majority of cases i have seen it has usualy been the little dog that has started it., and not at the same as a pup getting atacked by an addult dog. an addult dog dose not atack a pup ever unless in extreme circumstances!!!!
Can I also point out that a snap at a pup from an addult is perfectly acseptable as is a growl etc Even the addult pinning the pup by its throat s fine - it sounds herendous but it never actualy hearts the pup .
- Those things i have described is not an addult atacking a pup but an addult disaplining the pup.
For a dog to actualy bite down hard - needing stiches and blood etc to a pup is un heard of as far as im aware.
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WOW what a debate. Laughing

I am NOT getting another dog while Jettie is here because am pretty sure she will definitly get jelouse because when we are playing with copper/sasha or scooby she gets jelouse (sometimes)!!

And as the breed of dog i am getting i Am definitly getting a cocker spaniel xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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sorry coliel but i really dont agree with you on this one.

you said its un heard of for a pup to get attacked by adult dogs....wrong! both my dogs were attacked as pups by adult dogs not just a warning growl/snap they were fully attacked!

tiger my chi was attacked by a staffy he was doing nothing wrong at all he didnt even know the dog was there and the dog attacked him.like twig said some dogs just dont get on with other dogs wether its a pup, adult, bitch, dog ,etc

glad your waiting to get your next dog koolkat,make the most of the one you have Very Happy
i nearly got soooo many different dogs while i was working in rescue kennels but i had to stop and think each time wether that other dog would match kias personality or not i ended up waiting another 4yrs to get another dog and its been so worth the wait.do whats right by jet not what you want. Very Happy
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